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Re Mi
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Posted - 2008.01.14 18:30:00 -
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I was wondering about this topic. It seems that alliances tend to be able to take more space then they can hold. When they over expand they tend to collapse. I am wondering what those limits are, and if people with experience in those elements could describe them further.
1. PvPers - You can only take down so many POS a day per cap ship. A single person can only hold so much space. Is there a number of PvPers that is a minimum to hold 0.0 space, and how would they be divided into support and capital ships, and is there minimum number needed per system to hold space. Once they reach blob critical mass, they will be unable to be defeated in a straight up fight. They will also need a minimum amount of players to patrol and police the space they have. It would seem to me that the minimum overall fleet size is about 2/3 server capacity, which is the size needed for victory by a blob, or about 200-300 people online and active with god pvp skills and experienced FC's at one time, or about 800-1200 people total in an alliance, depending on the region they are in. Any less and big alliances will squash them. But if they get too big they become unmanageable.
2. Logistics - How far from a central hub is practical to haul and is there a specific empire relationship that is critical for certain alliances. Is there a limit to how far is practical to have a well defended alliance border from a central production point and fitting services. How far is it practical to move a support and capital fleet on short notice, or a large gang.
3. CCP - Is there a point at which an alliance gets too big and powerful, and CCP will step in to keep the game balanced. Some people say the titan nerf and POS changes were because BoB got too powerful. If there is a limit, what is it.
4. Other factors in determining a successful alliance.
Curious to know what people think.
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.01.14 18:30:00 -
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I was wondering about this topic. It seems that alliances tend to be able to take more space then they can hold. When they over expand they tend to collapse. I am wondering what those limits are, and if people with experience in those elements could describe them further.
1. PvPers - You can only take down so many POS a day per cap ship. A single person can only hold so much space. Is there a number of PvPers that is a minimum to hold 0.0 space, and how would they be divided into support and capital ships, and is there minimum number needed per system to hold space. Once they reach blob critical mass, they will be unable to be defeated in a straight up fight. They will also need a minimum amount of players to patrol and police the space they have. It would seem to me that the minimum overall fleet size is about 2/3 server capacity, which is the size needed for victory by a blob, or about 200-300 people online and active with god pvp skills and experienced FC's at one time, or about 800-1200 people total in an alliance, depending on the region they are in. Any less and big alliances will squash them. But if they get too big they become unmanageable.
2. Logistics - How far from a central hub is practical to haul and is there a specific empire relationship that is critical for certain alliances. Is there a limit to how far is practical to have a well defended alliance border from a central production point and fitting services. How far is it practical to move a support and capital fleet on short notice, or a large gang.
3. CCP - Is there a point at which an alliance gets too big and powerful, and CCP will step in to keep the game balanced. Some people say the titan nerf and POS changes were because BoB got too powerful. If there is a limit, what is it.
4. Other factors in determining a successful alliance.
Curious to know what people think.
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:38:00 -
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 Originally by: The Mittani
one day we will hit our natural limit when we run out of butte jokes
I heard one Goon quote of about 500 hard core pvpers in Goonfleet. I would bet that puts you at 750 people on line and active at any one time in Goonswarm and spread over 130 systems in 3 geographic areas stretching from the Great Wildlands to Paragon Soul. You would need to split your fleets into at least three parts or more if you ever end up on defense again. Thats if my math is right. You may be at your natural limit of how much space you can control. If you want more space you will need to grow Goonswarm. To take over Delve and hold it, for example, along with everything you have now, Goonswarm would need to grow by roughly a quarter to one third if my math is correct. You would need a lot more buttes.
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ju Ming
Re Mi - aka - BoB Alt trying to create some anti Goon feeling
Thank you for being concerned about how spread out Goon are in the game. Given that Goon dont use the Tenant system but i guess we will need to use some inovation, thank you for the concern.
Any more BoB alts wanting to post?
Fail
and wrong.
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ju Ming
Re Mi - aka - BoB Alt trying to create some anti Goon feeling
Thank you for being concerned about how spread out Goon are in the game. Given that Goon dont use the Tenant system but i guess we will need to use some inovation, thank you for the concern.
Any more BoB alts wanting to post?
Also, I didn't say you needed that force to take Delve, you need it to HOLD delve.
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.01.15 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ju Ming
geez this sily alt just posts and posts and posts ,,
If I were a BoB alt, why would I presume that you have taken and are in Delve and bother calculating the forces you need to hold that space over the long term? That does not make any sense.
Why are you wasting your trolls on me? Maybe you should save them for people who are actually attacking you.
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